Incense In The Wind

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Saturday, 31 August 2013

Jin Wan Lai Wealth Offering



These Chinese sticks come in an elaborate decorative box. The sticks are very long, and each box contains over 600 sticks. The recommended retail price is £60, though they can be bought from Tranquil Garden for £34,  or in handfuls of 15 in clear plastic bags from eBay for around £1.40.

The sticks are nearly 13 inches long, though only 8 1/2 of that is incense. They have a very long red handle. The incense is rolled on very thinly. It's a pleasant sandy colour, and has a delicate melodic perfume with hints of lime. It is a lovely and delicate scent. When burned what is more noticeable, however, is the base herbs. The perfume is a little too delicate to make itself felt with just one stick burning.

Inside the box


I'm pleased to have tried these - my first Chinese incense. But I'm glad I didn't have to invest over £34, nor end up with over 600 sticks. The incense is marketed as though Jin Wan Lai are a very fine Chinese incense manufacturer. Perhaps they are among the best that China has to offer - or maybe that is typical incense company blurb. But I am taking care to look only for cheap deals when it comes to buying other Chinese incense. These sticks are not that impressive.


Date: Aug 2013   Score: 22
***

Incense by Country




Christmas Time incense (brand closed)




Imported by the UK distributor Emporiumuk.biz [closed 2021] from an unknown supplier. I bought these from a seller on ebay for 99p for 20. The sticks and incense are dyed red. The sticks have been handrolled from a charcoal base and then rolled in an incense masala and probably perfume dipped as well. The sticks have a jammy sweet and pleasantly spiced aroma, reminiscent of Christmas jam. On burning the aroma is more of the base herbs that are used in the masala. There are hints of jammy spice, but not enough to make this a truly Christmas incense. Perhaps the sticks are old and the spicy perfume has gone stale leaving mainly the herb base? Anyway, the end result is a fairly dull and ordinary, if inoffensive, incense.

Emporiumuk have an incense factory in Calcutta, so the sticks could have been made there. Though they also import from "Tibet", and these sticks have the earthy herbal quality of Tibetan incense. 


Date: Aug 2013   Score: 25
***

Emporium incense
(Own brand label
out of business)

Friday, 30 August 2013

Darshan Kanishka (Vanilla)


Second review - scroll down for earlier


I like this. Honey and vanilla and sandalwood. It's not a great scent, but it's warm and seductive and very appealing. There is the sense of the chemical origin, but very lightly, and not harsh or offensive. This is a gentle, seductive, sensual, and slightly sexy scent. Suitable for evenings and bedrooms, though could also be used at any time, as the perfume is quite refined and inviting.  I'm liking this slightly more than I did two years ago.

Score: 31 - May 2015


First review


A very pleasing and natural feeling vanilla incense. I like vanilla, but haven't - until now - found a vanilla incense that I found smelled naturally of vanilla. Hand-rolled charcoal base which is dipped in quite pungent and attractive perfume. Hex box of 20 sticks bought for only 47p from Indiabazaar on Amazon - though the price is currently 60p direct from Indiabazaar's own (slow to load) website.

The sticks are made by Darshan International of Bangalore who claim they have been in existence for five decades, while being founded in 1987 and 2000.

The fragrance is firm and heady without being assertive or over-bearing. It is soft, seductive, welcoming and very pleasing. My preference is for masala incense, but occasionally a perfume dipped incense will quite impress and excite me, as this one does. Experience, sadly, tends to show that perfume dipped sticks don't retain their fresh and natural bouquet for long - and subsequent burnings tend to reveal flaws, particularly where synthetic perfumes have been used. The perfumes may become stale and unpleasant. At the moment, however, this one is fresh and very relaxing and attractive. I would be inclined to buy this again.

Score: 30 - August 2013

***

Top Ten Perfume-Dipped
Incense Sticks

Darshan Incense

Vanilla

Tuesday, 27 August 2013

Satya (Original - pre 2014) Aastha




Aastha is a Hindu girl's name - the box translates it as "The Trust", though it is more commonly translated as "Faith". This is a typical Satya product - a fine quality masala of fragrant ingredients around a charcoal core. The aroma is sweet, heady, quite soft, rich and opulent. There are warm spice notes around a sandalwood base. It lingers pleasantly creating a relaxed and gently seductive atmosphere. It is notably better than most Indian incense, which tend to be charcoal sticks dipped in synthetic perfumes, but is one of the weaker Satya fragrances, being a little too mild, and lacking in focus or distinction.

£1.59 for 15 grams  from  incense-essentials.co.uk.  Generally incense sticks are around 1 gram each, so the weight would give an indication of how many sticks there are, though this will vary.

Date: Aug, 2013  Score: 30




Some sticks left over from 2013. The fragrance has gone. Smells more of the core material. It clearly is important to burn this incense when fresh.

Date: Sept 2015  Score:  Not given.
***

Satya (Shrinivas Sugandhalaya)

Satya (Shrinivas Sugandhalaya)



Satya Sai Baba is the brand name used by the Indian incense company Shrinivas Sugandhalaya of Bangalore. Their incense sticks and cones are high quality; hand-rolled from a masala of well chosen crushed fragrant ingredients around a charcoal base. The company use  halmaddi, a traditional fragrant resin, though the use may have changed or declined over the years according to some users. They make the world's most famous and acclaimed incense, Satya Nag Champa.

The Shrinivas Sugandhalaya company was founded in 1964 by Shri Satyam Setty from small premises in Mumbai.  It has expanded to now employ approximately 2,500 workers in manufacturing facilities in Bangalore and Mumbai, and since the death of Setty in 2000 or 1999, the company has been run by his two sons, Balkrishna Setty and Nagaraj Setty. At an unclear time in 2014, and for unclear reasons, the partnership between the sons was split, both retaining use of the name and logo of the original Satya company.  Nagraj Setty formed Shrinivas Sugandhalaya LLP in Mumbai on 8 Sept 2014.  Balkrishna Setty formed Shrinivas Sugandhalaya (BNG) LLP in Bangalore on 21 Nov 2014.


 Balkrishna Setty's HQ in Bangalore

According to some websites (not verified as fact) Balkrishna had been involved in the manufacture of the incenses, had worked closely with his father, and had personally developed Super Hit. The Bangalore site had been the centre of the manufacturing for the original Satya company. Nagraj had been in charge of distribution, and had all the distribution contacts. The Mumbai site had been the centre of distribution for the original Satya company.  In Dec 2016 a case was filed in at least one state court in America by Balkrishna Setty (Shrinivas Sugandhalaya (BNG) LLP) alleging unfair practises by Nagraj Setty (Shrinivas Sugandhalaya LLP). The claims are that Nagraj Setty sometimes uses machines to make incense, while Balkrishna Setty only uses hand rolling methods; the claim is that customers prefer hand rolled incense, and so Balkrishna Setty's incense is more popular. In order to mislead people, and to suppress competition, Nagraj Setty advertised his products using Balkrishna Setty's Bangalore address. He has also sent out cease and desist notices to all USA distributors, claiming that Balkrishna Setty is infringing on his trademarks and copyrights. I don't have any information on the outcome of the court case - I don't know if it has been heard yet.

I will be endeavouring where possible to indicate on my reviews which of the two companies was responsible for the incense being reviewed.

As of 2018, the two brothers have developed new logos, which clearly indicate which is responsible for the product in the packets. Recent incense from Nagraj which uses the new logo is of better quality as he is now using workers in Bangalore, some of whom may have experience of working in his father's incense factory.

2014 was the year that the two brothers split Satya into two companies, with Nagaraj, who had been in charge of distribution, initially commissioning the production of the sticks he sold until he later established his own incense factory in Bangalore (is this accurate?), the city where Satya production had been based since the 1960s.

 
Top left: original logo - Top right: Mumbai 1st
Bottom left: Bangalore - Bottom right: Mumbai 


A Nagaraj logo with the Bangalore address
  


The new logos and websites:


Nagraj Setty's Shrinivas Sugandhalaya LLP
The distributor

Mumbai - Nagraj




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Balkrishna Setty's Shrinivas Sugandhalaya (BNG) LLP
The manufacturer

Bengaluru - Balkrishna


Previous logo, registered 2014 

Website:  satyaincense.com


The British incense and ethnic goods distributor Aargee contracted Satya to make a number of incense sticks under the Aargee and Stamford brand.  In 2011, Aargee developed 12 new fragrances with Shrinivas Sugandhalaya (link dead) to be sold exclusively through the Stamford brand. The two companies have listed 24 fragrances they make together. (link dead). 


There is occasional talk of "fake" Satya, and posts on Reddit which tell people how to spot such "fakes". In response to one such post I wrote this [slightly edited]: 

I've heard a variety of stories over the years regarding Satya, and it's difficult to judge what is really going on. Some people say this, and some people say that. Here is my understanding.

The halmaddi story I've heard a few times. I'm pretty sure that one started when ORS talked about a lack of halmaddi in Satya incense being the reason for a drop in quality. I think by now most people know that Nagraj - who had control of distribution in America, started his own production, and it took him a few years to get it right. And I think by now most people know that halmaddi isn't a scent ingredient in itself, but a fixative that helps disperse and prolong a scent. Other fixatives work just as well. And halmaddi has been and continues to be used by several incense companies (of varying quality and skill) in a range of incense scents, not just Nag Champa. Halmaddi is not the only fixative - benzoin, gum Arabic, vanilla, and frankincense are also used as fixatives, and each will have their supporters. The most widespread is DEP (commonly sold as "agarbathi oil"), as it is cheap and effective. A move from any of the natural fixatives to DEP is widely regarded as a cost saving move. In general (though not 100% accurate), if the incense has a lot of black smoke when you light it, it is likely that it uses DEP.

An Indian government restriction on harvesting halmaddi resin did take place. And Satya's quality (primarily in America where Nagraj Setty had a business arrangement with Raj Mathur, who imported Satya via his E. Expo (Song of India) company which has had an office in America since 1989) did drop. Meanwhile, Balkrishna Setty, who was in charge of Satya production in Bangalore, continued to make and sell original Satya incense outside of America. What happened, I think, is that people in America thought the drop in quality was due to the halmaddi restriction, rather than that Nagraj was making and selling poorer quality Satya incense. In a sense, it was probably correct to say that Satya incense sold in America at that time didn't use halmaddi. It most likely used DEP.

As regards the "fake". I have wondered once or twice if a Satya I bought was fake because this Reddit (and other places) does mention "fake Satya" from time to time. And it is possible. But it's difficult to track it down or prove anything because the two brothers have issued a bewildering range of different designs over the past 20 years. The Earth logo is interesting. I have seen the C (copyrighted) and the R (registered trade mark) versions. I've not made a study of it, but my assumption is that neither are fakes, but just different print set ups. My understanding is that a logo can be copyrighted quite easily, and that would apply to all territories, but registering a trade mark has to be done country by country. But the way that stock is bought and sold and transferred around the world, I wouldn't be surprised if they get mixed up. If doing a black-market fake copy, it would be cheaper and easier to copy an existing real packet than to try to mock one up, and then make deliberate changes. My assumption these days is that without clear evidence of a Satya being a fake, then it would be a product issued by one or other of the brothers. Relax, light it up, and enjoy. I think the odds of it being a black market fake are low.

The labelling of Satya is interesting. There has been a long-running court case regarding this. When Nagraj decided not to use the incense made by his brother, he continued to use the old packets. As he owned half the company, he was within his rights to do this. Two addresses were on the packets - his in Mumbai, and his brother Balkrishna's in Bangalore. And both addresses were true and accurate as belonging to the Satya partnership. Balkrishna changed logo and business name to make it clear he was not associated with Nagraj's incense. So any incense with BNG in the name is made in the original factory - you may say that any Satya incense with BNG in the company name is genuine - regardless of any other stylings on the packet, as Balkrishna has continued to change his packaging, such as adding the Earth logo, to indicate that his incense is different to Nagraj's. Unfortunately these changes have not been understood by buyers in America, so Nagraj had to start the court case. His argument is that because the incense sold by Nagraj was of inferior quality it was damaging the reputation of Satya, and so impacting on Balkrishna's business. In addition, there was clear evidence presented to the court that Nagraj and Mathur were writing to distributors in America and UK telling them to stop selling Balkrishna's incense. Copy of letter send to Ian Snow (who used to import and distribute Satya in the UK - he doesn't any more):

“What I have done in USA is very appropriate. I sent that letter, the one I sent to you earlier, to all the distributors/importers in USA, that I know of, and I talked to some of the importers and distributors not to get involved in this mass. They have agreed to me. Those who had ordered from Bangalore, have cancelled their orders. I believe I have total success in this matter. Now we are trying to the same in U.K. and Mr. Nagraj is ready to help and absorb costs.”

Nasty stuff, eh?

The court case was opened in 2016, and an out-of-court settlement was reached this January 2025, though I think the case is not fully closed yet. Meanwhile there are packets in circulation from different years and regions, so it is confusing, which is where I think the "fake" claims come from. But if a packet has BNG or the Earth logo then it is made in the original factory. If it has neither, and has the “1/9, 8th Cross, Magadi Rd, Bengaluru" address then it may be an older original, or it could be the earlier batches of incense sold by Nagraj. You will know when you open the packet. If the sticks inside are hand-rolled and fluffy, it is the original. If the sticks are smooth and machine-made it is Nagraj. The originals smell nice, the early Nagraj smell not so good. If the packets do not have BNG nor the “1/9, 8th Cross, Magadi Rd, Bengaluru" address, then they are later Nagraj, and these are likely to be hand-rolled and fluffy and nice.

I hope that helps.



 Reviews

*= Review over five years old, so may not be reliable


Satya (BNG - post 2018) Myrrh (M)
Sept 2021 - Score: 42↑ 


Satya (BNG) Reiki (M)
Jan 2024 - Score: 41 


Satya (Original - 2012) Nag Champa (M)
Dec 2022 - Score: 40


Satya (BNG) Patchouli (M)
Dec 2019 - Score: 40↑*


Nov 2019 - Score: 40=*


Satya Natural (M)
March 2017 - Score: 40*


Satya (BNG - post 2018) White Sage 
Jan 2020 - Score: 40


Satya (BNG) Frankincense (M)
July 2019 - Score: 39*

   
Satya (BNG) Karma (M)
Oct 2021 - Score:38 


Satya (Mumbai)
Super Sandal Dhoop Cones

April 2018 - Score: 38


Satya (Mumbai) Patchouli Forest (M)
Jan 2024 - Score: 
37↑


Satya (Mumbai) Sunrise
 Jan 2020  - Score: 37↑ 


Satya Nag Champa Dhoop Cones
Dec 2021 - Score: 37


Satya (Mumbai) Golden Era (M)
Aug 2019 - Score: 36


Satya (Original - pre 2014)
Yoga Series Harmony
Mar 2013 - Score: 36

   
Satya Super Hit (M)
April 2019 - Score: 35


Satya Supreme (M)
Feb 2015 - Score: 35*


July 2020 - Score: 35


Satya (BNG - pre 2017) Namaste (M)
Nov 2019 - Score: 35


Satya (Mumbai) Fortune (P)
Sept 2023 - Score: 35↑


Satya/Stamford (2014) Knowledge (M)
Nov 2024 - Score: 35↑ 


Satya Super Hit
Oct 2023 - Score: 34↑↓↑↑


Satya (BNG) Spiritual Healing (PM)
Dec 2024 - Score: 34


Mar 2021 - Score: 33↑ 

  
Satya (BNG) Positive Vibes (M)
July 2021 - Score: 33  

    
Satya Citronella Dhoop Cones 
Jan 2025 - Score: 33


Stamford Midnight Calm (by Satya)
July 2015 - Score:30↓*

   
Satya (BNG) White Sage Dhoop Cones 
Apr 2021 - Score: 30


Satya Aastha (M)
Aug 2013   Score: 30



Satya Nag Champa 
Fresh Rose Dhoop Cones (P)
Dec 2020 - Score: 40↑↑ [Average: 29]


Satya (BNG) Dragon's Blood
Dec 2019 - Score
28

  
Satya (Mumbai) Californian White Sage
Jan 2024 - Score: 28

    
Satya (Mumbai) Celestial (M)
March 2021 - Score: 28 

   
Satya (BNG) Yoga Series Meditation (M)
Mar 2024 - Score: 28



Satya/Stamford (2014) Meditating Shiva 
Score: 27 


Satya (BNG - post 2018)
Egyptian Jasmine
 
Score: 27


Satya (Mumbai) Lavender
Score: 25

  
Satya/Stamford (Mumbai 2014) Enlightenment 
Jan 2024 - Score: 25 

  
Satya/Stamford (Mumbai 2014) Intuition 
Feb 2024 - Score: 25


Satya (BNG) Natural Sandal 
Score: 25


Satya/Stamford (2014) Laxmi's Lotus 
Score: 25


Satya/Stamford (2014) Freedom
Score: 20


    
Satya (BNG) Sandalwood Cones (P)
Feb 2025 - Score: 18


Satya (BNG) Palo Santo Dhoop Cones (P)
Apr 2021 - Score: 18 

   
Scents: 38
Highest score: 48
Lowest score: 18
Average: 36